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I am so glad I have been a part of the middle class growing up on a lake in MN. I hate the political class of this state - rabid, wealthy, lazy - but the rest of us are hard working folks who had many children who are productive members of society. I will not retire wealthy, but our children will continue this great experiment regardless of those trying to ruin it.

Our kids have seen with their own eyes the two versions: In Feb 2020 as they were in their last years of college - two of which were done in high school - they saw and experienced the greatest economy of all our lives. And then economic ruin 12 months later. They now know what works and what doesn't and I am only sorry they cannot afford housing like we did a mere 36 months ago.

As our rabid UniParty establishment keeps working to ruin society, our children are armed and prepared to defend themselves.

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Thank you to you & them!

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When we get to the end of our lives all that matters are the people we love and especially our children and grandchildren. One of my fondest memories is how much my maternal grandmother loved all her grandkids and how wonderful she thought we all were, even though we were actually rather average. Every child needs that kind of person in their life who thinks the they are special and is always delighted to see them.

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I remember pretty-well passing on "The Population Bomb" in '68, but paying more attention to The Club of Rome's "The Limits to Growth" in '72. By then I'd quit IBM and "dropped out" but Jay Forrester's name on the cover got my attention. It took a while, but their claims just didn't seem right, and I had a pretty good notion of how sensitive a complex model like theirs was to both initial assumptions and choices of data sources. Like Pete Passel wrote in (of all places!) The NYT right after the book was published, the book was "an empty and misleading work ... best summarized ... as a rediscovery of the oldest maxim of computer science: Garbage In, Garbage Out". And time has proven that both LTG and The Population Bomb were, factually and in predictive strength, both enormous bombs.

And bombs not only by being almost utterly wrong, but also hugely destructive in their impact on well-meaning people's desire to take action to "Save The Earth!!!".

Their basic flaw was to ignore the potential of Western Culture to develop technology to increase the earth's capacity to support human life. And now it seems that the primary victim will be Western Culture itself, and (possibly) the ability to maintain the earth's current carrying capacity. I don't see human beings disappearing, just decreasing back to, say, early agricultural/small city-state levels. Sad.

Be nice to every young woman who has three children!

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Well said... We are in the world, fortunately, of large families. Sadly we only ended up with five.

But yes... large families have their work cut out for themselves, but it is the greatest opportunity. The key is raising children in the fear and admonish of the Lord.

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The majority of women I know with children are the driven corporate types. I don't know exactly how they are with their kids at home, but it scares me for the kids acting like their moms as adults. (Cutthroat.)

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The spike protein in ovaries and testes will also have an effect on fertility rates. Babies born to mothers and fathers who were injected could be infertile.

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Such intended long term (generational) effects of the vaccines were likely always the primary goal. Being a childless woman or man was rare even 100 years ago (priests & nuns, inmates, eccentrics), & is likely psychologically corrosive. A majority may become infertile in the next 20 years.

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I think so too. In other words, we're hooped.

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Then they parent's and children have to dodge the post natal vaccine gauntlet.

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It certainly is massive.

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Let’s never mind that the food and drug supplies are designed to kill off fertility. It may help to stop eating processed food (including restaurants) and supplement with nutrients that support fertility, which includes hormone production. Chances are much better for women wanting babies. Educate yourselves on nutrition - it is information that has been stolen from us by the PTB.

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Native American Proverb

“A woman’s highest calling is to lead a man to his soul so as to unite him with Source. A man’s greatest calling is to protect woman so that she is free to walk the earth unharmed”.

How are we doing on that?

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Gwyneth: Native American Reality:

"A woman's highest calling is to lead a man into slavery to support her every whim.

A man's fate is to work himself to death in pursuit of the woman's highest calling."

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You must have met many unconscious women:)

Novelist Margaret Atwood writes that when she asked a male friend why men feel threatened by women, he answered, "They are afraid women will laugh at them." When she asked a group of women why they feel threatened by men, they said, "We're afraid of being killed."

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Gwyneth: This... is insane. Men don't feel threatened by women *at all*. Why would we? Of all of the things that I'm good at, no woman can compete, and that's reciprocal. There are a few grey-zones, like Waitressing, but otherwise there are different roles in society for the sexes.

Men killing women... right... if you're not engaging in one-night-stands with strangers, there's almost *no danger* of this. I mean: I know that jumping off cliffs will kill me, and I avoid this by... not jumping off cliffs.

ShiYen

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Tell that to all the women who have been abused and killed by their husbands. Tell that to the women (by some calculations near a half million) who were burned, stoned, drowned as witches during the witch hunt madness. Tell that to the billions of women and children who were and continue to be annihilated in the 5000+ years of wars on this planet.

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We have to fight barbarism in every generation. Marriage however, is the great civilizer, and we are evolving in that too, where we are beginning to understand consciously what makes it happy and productive, rather than having it as a societal norm, supported strenuously by they culture. See the Gottmans work. The Catholic Church was the great murderer of women, hundreds of thousands listed by town and year in the Vatican library. Shocking.

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Gwyneth: LOL! Men are afraid that women will laugh at their dicks. Women are afraid of poverty.

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Women's instincts are (as you say) centred around resource acquisition for her and future offspring. Women want security, safety, comfort and stuff.

Men's instincts are to compete with each other as providers for women, and protectors of women. And this is how men are able to attract a mate and gain access to sex and reproduction. The men who prove themselves to be the best providers/ protectors are selected by women as husbands.

The natural instincts and drives of both sexes are in harmony and fit together perfectly.

The problem is that it all goes off the rail when men become so productive and efficient at producing resources (ie post industrial revolution) that they are able to fund a government via taxation.

Let's call the government 'Chad'. Now we have half of the fruits of men's labour going to Chad, rather than to his own family. And as soon as women got the vote (only a few years after men got the vote) they started voting for an increasing Chad's empire, all paid for by ordinary working men.

Given that women always seek men of higher social status and wealth than themselves (hypergamy) it is no surprise that women identified Chad as the tip top super Alpha male and started to hang out with Chad all the time.

Today Chad has become a HAREM for women, with millions of women relying on Chad's resources and Chad's guns - resources which are stolen at gunpoint from the paycheques of ordinary working men.

Even married women rely on Chad as a safety net, allowing them to make terrible mate selection choices, and then bail when they get bored and take the man to the cleaners before moving on to the next unsuitable husband..... or just marry Chad and live off welfare.

The need for women to secure safety, comfort, security and resources used to motivate women to be highly selective about a mate, and this in turn motivated men to be men of quality (ie good husband material).

Today, with a massive governments installed in every nation, women will tend to ride the cock-carousel throughout their 20's (hooking up with exciting 'bad boys' who are a thrill but definitely not husband material) and then after they hit the wall and get baby rabies they will search for a quality man to be her husband and the father of her rotten eggs.

But all the quality men have either already gotten married already, or they are able to attract a younger women with healthy eggs and without 'a past' and all the baggage associated with that.

This is why mental health for women has plummeted as society has become more heavily socialised and orientated towards catering to women (performing the role of husband to women).

And this is why men have become so demoralised because why on earth should men work their asses off and become honest, dependable and financially secure (ie good husband material) when half their earnings are stolen from them by Chad, and women will not consider marriage until they are already post wall, and even when they do agree to marriage the marriage will always be a threesome.... the husband, the wife and Chad (and his huge collection of guns).

It's no wonder so many men are becoming grass eaters or trans maxxers.

"Women are afraid of poverty."

Yes women are afraid of poverty, and yet women are by far the greatest consumers of non essential (ie luxury) items and the least likely to engage in thrifty living. Women have a safety net (Chad) which just isn't there for men which is why men tend to be far more sensible when it comes to resource management. They have to be.

When you balance the books on payment of taxes vs recipients of tax spending women do not actually pay taxes, only men do. Women already enjoy the benefits of a husband's income, even while they are still single. This is why so many women make catastrophic life choices and relationship choices which they come to regret in their 30's and 40's. The degree to which society spoils women makes women lose all sense of perspective and common sense.

""Men are afraid that women will laugh at their dicks."

Men are afraid they will invest everything in a marriage and then the woman will get bored and run off with Chad, kick him out of the family home, take custody of the children and potentially make a false accusation of assault or rape in which case he will lose all contact, all parental rights and potentially end up in jail.

Police advise men faced with a wife who is angry and dissatisfied with the marriage to get out the house whenever things get heated, because if the situation escalates and she so much as breaks a fingernail or gets a scratch on her face the police will be obligated to drag the man out of the house and put him in jail.... even if it is clear that she was the one who beat him up with a frying pan or threw half the kitchen china at his face.

The problem is not male or female nature. The problem is Chad.

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Corona: That's a long comment. I just don't give a damn anymore about the human race. I don't have any grandkids. Women broke the social contract with men back in the 70s. I'm surprised that any man gets married nowadays. What's the point? Where's the payoff? Why should a man work himself to death for this con game?

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I love providing for my stay at home wife and three kids and have no greater purpose than being a man worthy of the respect love and admiration of my family. My life before children traveling abroad, lavish restaurants and vacations is hollow and empty compared to this.

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It is hard to raise children in poverty.

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Gwyneth: Exactly. Women are hard-wired to raise children. Poverty is their biggest fear.

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Not very well.

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Gwyneth: PS: Everyone born in the USA is a native American.

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Would anyone at all, wish to entertain the thought that, just perhaps, “Marriage is no longer a sane option?”

That over a period of years, a separation of humans from faith has correlated with a rapid increase in the divorce rate?

That men are now faced with two options:

(1) Marry, have children, get divorced and then fleeced and (2) Buy a motorcycle?

Ah, no.

I didn’t think so.

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I must have missed the memo. Did (1.) Except: kept the faith, skipped divorce in favour of falling further in love with my wife, who reciprocated and encouraged me right along to (2.) 🏍️🎯😍

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There had to be somebody making up that remaining small percentage. I pray that it remains for you.

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I'm just waking up to the implications of being out of step with the mainstream for three decades. Before that I kept my head down and didn't take much notice.

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Incidentally : what do you ride 🏍️?

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I don’t. I was married. Twice.

My sons have this to deal with; I have three. One is married, with two sons. One of the others rides a Harley.

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Sounds tough. I'm sure they make you proud though. Keep on keeping on!

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We need to make adoption easier than abortion.

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They are already the biggest ones.

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“No one told us” is an incredible statement because my Mom's generation, she was born in 1931, knew that the older you became the harder it was to have babies. The feminist movement bamboozled these women into thinking that having a career was more important.

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Nowadays they "think" that the scientism of IVF will come to their rescue... When in reality is just another clever way for the medical/pharma gang to increase the profits.

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IVF can get a woman pregnant but has a live birth rate of 23%. After 40 years of age this drops to 8%. Each "round"of trying costs an average $10K.

The marketing of scientism.

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It's just great!

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Admittedly my mom had 5 kids in her 30s. Another friend of mine had a similar family. Family history indicated that having kids a little late was maybe not ideal but shouldn’t be that hard. These days everyone has hormone problems.

It takes a lot longer to establish a stable lifestyle these days than it did for our parents, too - they married early and spent the first decade having fun. My parents inherited a house early on and had very little college debt.

These days generational wealth is virtually nonexistent in the middle class, and many Boomers don’t see the value in even trying to hold on to property or pass anything along to their children.

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As I mentioned, the feminists caused too many women to defer childbearing because a career was more important forgetting that women ARE wired for kids. The number of women having their FIRST child in their 40's to 50's is not uncommon. Your comment about Baby Boomers is ridiculous. You seem to think that we're all rich and just stiffing the kids. Just what is your evidence for this contention?

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In this essay, you have sung my own song, much better than I could compose. I was 18 years old in 1970, and still vividly remember the sad premonition I had that marriage, children and family would come only a very long time into the future, if at all. Life has been stripped nearly bare of all that truly matters, and is beautiful and loving and creative. Up until the present, I believed that scarcity and struggle were inevitable ... just "the way of the world." Now I see that it never had to be this way.

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Amazing post. Thank you.

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As I awaIted the birth of my 5th child, almost 20 years ago, I was surprised at how many women approached me, wistfully commenting that they wished they "could have" had another child.

I was also less impressed with the number of fellow church-members-who-were-taught-differently, who made sure to ask if we knew what caused that. One told me that it didn't matter what the pope said.

The former group were women. The latter group were men. Hmmmm

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Church people are the worst. And sadly I thought that way in my early Christian years.

Fortunately, I don’t now.

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Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. And so very, very sad.

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I'm writing this comment from the perspective of March 27, 2024. This is my favorite of Elizabeth's posts. It has a compelling long view. At what point is the tipping point reached when homo sapiens can no longer reverse its decline to extinction.

"Cities turning to ruin, schools & hospitals gone, streets & freeways decaying," or words to that effect. It's vivid, we've seen that in disaster movies, & it's happening quietly now under our noses, as the backdrop to the endless culture wars. At the tipping point severely contracting populations would flee to urban spaces that still have a much-reduced level of basic services & infrastructure. And more cities would 'die' & empty out each year, feeding on itself in a vicious spiral year after year. Irony of ironies, the globalists will get their wish, extreme depopulation in 4 or 5 generations, less than a century.

And when will the tipping point be reached? ... the tipping point being when we literally cannot turn things around no matter how much we wish to do so. She doesn't say, but the author she references likely gives the probabilities. My takeaway is that it could arrive within one generation.

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After two wives and two sons I met the woman I am still married to, She had four pregnancies with me.

We started when she was thirty-nine. In three the embryo died in her, the last one was a spontaneous abortion. She is still in denial saying that it does not matter to her. She is deeply scarred

I keep telling to young women that they cannot afford to wait. They do not want to hear it.

I blame feminism.

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Tragic. I am sorry. And angry on her and your behalf.

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Being a man, I can never fully grasp maternal instincts, but I can understand them to at least a small degree. Two women in my close family circle, my sister and sister in law, are childless. They are both in their fifties now.

With both of them, I noticed a subtle sadness coming over them, starting around forty. My wife and I have three children. Whenever my sisters were around my children, I could see both delight and regret on their faces.

The sadness has become less subtle as the years have passed. The subject has obliquely been broached a few times over the past few years. Both of them have expressed their regrets on the subject more openly.

It breaks my heart.

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I have the same creeping sadness, watching my children approach their forties childless. I will never be a grandmother, and that absolutely breaks my heart.

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